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Who said, (Not sure this is the EXACT QUOTE!) "There is so much good in the worst of us...and so much bad in the best of us...I can't tell the difference."

And, can anyone give me the EXACT, SPECIFIC QUOTE?


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I found it as an unknown saying:
There is so much good in the worst of us and so much bad in the best of us that it behooves none of us to criticize the rest of us.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2002 10:59 am 
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There is so much good in the worst of us,
And so much bad in the best of us,
That it hardly behooves any of us
To talk about the rest of us.

--first printed in the Marion (Kansas) Record, owned by Governor Edward Wallis Hoch, and assumed to have been written by him.

(quote and attribution courtesy of Bartlett's)

P.S. I believe it's quoted in "Our Town," by Thornton Wilder--one of the truly great American plays--now being revived on Broadway with Paul Newman as The Stage Manager.


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Apparently The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations agrees. The Internet is all over the map on this one.

I see your info is possibly from
http://www.are-cayce.org/readings/3063/001.html
http://www.are-cayce.org/readings/3063/001.html#n1

Anonymous
http://www.xrefer.com/entry/208360
Robert Louis Stevenson
http://www.geocities.com/~wisdom/w.html
http://www.wisdomquotes.com/000284.html
http://www.goodnewsbroadcast.com/black/animals.html
Shakespeare
http://www.marvacollins.com/marva_newsl ... y_aug.html
Robert Frost
http://www.innercite.com/~lewis/Matrimo ... ldrshp.htm
"There is some good in the worst of us and some bad in the best of us. When we discover this, we are less prone to hate our enemies."
~ From The Wisdom of Martin Luther King Jr. by Alex Ayres
http://www.geocities.com/ambwww/PROP-209-2.htm
motto
http://www.freedonia.com/panic/america/america.html
"There's so much good in the worst of us,
And so much bad in the best of us,
That it's hard to tell which one of us
Ought to reform the rest of us."

~unattributed
There is so much good in the worst of us, and plenty of bad in the best of us, that it behooves the rest of us to show tolerance to all of us--Lincoln
http://users.hubwest.com/wilcox/writingII.html
"Cayce quoted the old saying..."
http://www.edgarcayce.org/ps/forgivenesstxtpg.htm
And yes, Edward Wallis Hoch
http://www.sierracanyon.com/school/char ... espect.htm
The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations, Second Edition, page 249, attributes it to Edward Wallis Hoch (1849-1925). The correct quote:
“ There is so much good in the worst of us, and so much bad in the best of us, that it hardly becomes any of us to talk about the rest of us.”
~according to
http://www.reporternews.com/2000/sports/let0521.html


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Which edition of Bartlett's? I can't find it in the 16th or 17th. It's also not in the 3rd edition of the Oxford dictionary, but it is listed in the 1st under Hoch.

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I have both the 15th and 16th editions. Fifteen has it as a note to the following:

In men whom men condemn as ill
I find so much of goodness still,
In men whom men pronounce divine
I find so much of sin and blot,
I do not dare to draw a line
Between the two, where God has not.

--Joaquin [Cincinnatus Hiner or Heine] Miller

Sixteen seems to have dropped both the Miller doggerel and the better-known footnote.

Please, somebody, confirm or correct my impression that the original quote appears in "Our Town." Or is it in Mary Chase's "Harvey"? Or someplace else? The memory is going...

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2002 5:17 pm 
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[quote="Mr. Fussbudget"]There is so much good in the worst of us,
And so much bad in the best of us,
That it hardly behooves any of us
To talk about the rest of us.
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Almost correct! Just change the word "hardly" to: "little" -- as in:
"That it little behooves any of us..."

I learned this over half a century ago. It was written by the poet
and philosopher, Hilaire Belloc.

Belloc also wrote the equally famous words:

"I'm a nobody.
Who are you?
Are you a nobody, too?
Then there's the pair of us!
How dreary to be a somebody.
How public, like a frog
Spending all his days
Living in a bog."

(Not entirely sure of the last 2 lines.)

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2002 5:30 am 
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What's your source? I have a lot of faith in Bartlett's. Don't you?

P.S. I guess I'll have to go to the library to find out what play it's quoted in.

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There is so much Devil in the best of us
And so much Angel in the worst of us
That it doesn't become any of us
To say much about the rest of us.
-W. S. Childs, 1904
http://www.dountoothers.org/devil.html

"Dear Abby"
Abigail Van Buren
St. Louis Post-Dispatch, 06-29-1998, pp D2.
Dear Abby: You recently printed a poem about there being so much bad in the best of us and good in the worst of us that people shouldn' t gossip. You listed the author as ``un known.'' I was born in 1919, and hanging in my mother's house since I was a child was a Victorian sketch show ing a prone woman and a devil.
Written on the sketch was the fol lowing:
"There is so much Devil in the best of us
And so much Angel in the worst of us
That it doesn't become any of us
To say much about the rest of us.''
In the corner of the picture is "Copyright 1904 by W.S. Childs.'"
I thought you would be interested.
M.N. REED, THEODORE, ALA.

Abbey's reply:
Thank you for providing the name of the author. Ella Wheeler Wilcox wrote another version:
"There are just two kinds of peo ple on earth today,
Just two kinds of people, no more, I say;
Not the good and the bad, for 'tis well understood
That the good are half bad and the bad are half good.
No! The two kinds of people on earth I mean
Are the people who lift and the people who lean.''
http://12.228.225.170/~redwards/qindex.htm

Words of Wisdom from Maria Marius: "There's so much good in the worst of us, and so much bad in the best of us, that it little behooves any of us to talk about the rest of us."
http://www.geocities.com/apilishtar/
There's so much good in the worst of us, and so much bad in the best of us, that it little behooves any of us to talk about the rest of us.
~John Brantingham.
http://www.pastornet.net.au/jmm/adev/adev0375.htm
He makes no distinction though He had every right. (Rom 3:22 NKJV) even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; (Rom 10:12 NKJV) For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. Though you or I might. I know I would. We might think of God's not making a distinction between us in two ways. 1) Everyone was so unworthy that whatever distinctions exist between us don't rise to the level of a distinction with God. From our own perspective we learn this practical lesson: There is so much bad in the best of us and so much good in the worst of us that it little behooves any of us to speak poorly of the rest of us. 2) More positively grace abounds the more where it is needed the more. (Rom 5:20 KJV) But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: What ever, as Augustine said "God loves each of us as if there were only one of us to love."
~from God So Loved the World by M. Thaxter Dickey
http://www.dickey.org/grt_gift.htm
Self-examination. (1 Cor 11:28; 2 Cor 13:5). Upon examining self we will se that "there is so much good in the worst of us, and so much bad in the best of us, that it little behooves any of us to talk about the rest of us."
"If we are critical of ourselves, we will be charitable toward others."
http://sermons.11net.com/sermons/judging.txt

It behooves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to resist invasions of it in the case of others: or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own.
Thomas Jefferson


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I got the right playwright, but the wrong wrong play.

Thornton Wilder introduces a character who quotes that line and attributes it to Robert Louis Stevenson in "Pullman Car Hiawatha."

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