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 Post subject: Death and/or Salvation
PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 9:51 pm 
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Which one are you preparing for?

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I -after a great period of melancholy and ordeal- last managed to decide. I believe in God and also believe that the God is the God which is mentioned in Qoran. So, my death will not be my end, it will be the beginning of the real life.

On the other hand, if there's no God, then i will not exist after my death, but i wanna live forever, so this is why i'm writing poems, short film scenarios, tales etc. They are "product"s of my mind and even when my mind doesn't exist, they will live forever, and people who read them will bear parts of my mind in their minds. Also, if i have, my children will bear parts of my pyschal entity, in their genes i will live till an astreoid destroys the world.

Therefore we can say there's no real death. If once you lived, no one or nothing can change that "reality", you lived once, and there exists one "you" in somewhere where we call 4th "extent", the time.

Read Gogol if i couldn't explain my ideas well, due to my poor english. He -for many points- thinks like me.

And at last, i want to "choose" my death, since i couldn't choose how i was born. It must be a "worthy" death, and must be remembered by generations, in order to be alive. Who can say that Ramasses died, since we still remember him?

Claiming myself as a poet, i believe that life is a poem and the death is the signature of it. Signature must be impressive.

some verses from Turkish poets about death:(forgive my poor english)

"The death is not the most disastrous deed of our lives
The disastrous is the one dies before death arrives"
(Yahya Kemal Beyatlı)

"Even though our ranks grow thin, forward!
A sun shall rise from the blood of the fallen
Let battle hymns shake the heavens
Our blood will run in veins of roses of battlefield tomorrow!"
(Hüseyin Nihal Atsız)

"We're always seperated; enthusiasm dies when we seize what we want
And people die one by one even though they die on the same time"
(Necip Fazıl Kısakürek)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:43 pm 
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I am, as Paul of Tarsus taught me, working out my salvation with fear and trembling. :D


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I prepare for neither death nor salvation. I live for living, for other living beings who love me and for whom I love in return, and for my own living self.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:34 pm 
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To prepare oneself for death/salvation is to miss the point of living.

Our words live immortal, and the wisdom of those who came before us instructs us.

But where are we but here and now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAfoaTIPP0g

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For my own edification, you, then, believe that the point of life is living? If not, then love or pleasure or others or all of the above?


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Why is suicide such a terrible sin?

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Sinful according to whom?


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sinful according to Qoran, for example (:

i believe that there's no difference between suicide and homicide.

one who commits suicide is usually seperated into two, and one part of that one kills the other part and this results death of the both.

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Tommy GS wrote:
Sinful according to whom?


According to the Vatican, a suicide should be buried headless and not on consecrated ground.

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Tommy GS wrote:
For my own edification, you, then, believe that the point of life is living? If not, then love or pleasure or others or all of the above?


aye. The point of living is life. Should the point of living be death?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:32 pm 
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http://www.religioustolerance.org/sui_bibl.htm

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In these passages, the authors of the Bible do not appear to consider suicide to be a great moral sin. The act of committing suicide or of asking that God kill them are simply reported in a factual manner. The authors do not interpret these acts as sinful. They seem to be regarded simply as straightforward personal decisions.

However, the Christian church has traditionally considered suicide to be a great moral sin. Some denominations have even refused to bury people who have committed suicide in consecrated land.

The New King James translation is quoted in this section

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Tonyukuk wrote:
i believe that there's no difference between suicide and homicide.



There's a difference. Suicide, one kills oneself. Homicide, one kills someone else. If one is so pathetic that one feels that they have to kill someone, then they should kill their own sorry self and leave the other people to live life.

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The sin of suicide is in ending life, 'god's' greatest gift. Also in ending life to avoid 'god's' trials. Hence, no burial in consecrated ground and off with the head.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:19 pm 
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According to the Vatican:

2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.

2282 Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.

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In order for something to be a grave sin, the individual must be of sound mind. Since this is a delicate matter when it comes to suicide, the Church is not quick to make judgments.


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