Quotations and Literature Forum

Same as with 'is stealing ever right?'
Can't actually find where this came up though.

Anyway I used to think they couldn't but I have changed my mind. My objection based on cheats treated humans as if they had no inteliigence.

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"The Truth may be out there but the lies are in your head"
"I tend to think if God wanted us to believe in him he'd exist."

What is a moral? An interpretation of what is correct. Although interpretation can evolve ( The moral ) The correctness that the moral is based on cannot.

Here's an interesting question: Would someone brought up with no contact with other humans or society have morals and if so, would they fit into what we would generally consider being right and wrong?

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I know not whether i was then a man dreaming i was a butterfly or am now a butterfly dreaming i am a man.

True values and virtue don't come society but reality itself.

I disagree there is nothing in the Universe that could form a moral code. Unless there is a God but as I don't think their is one (or more accuratly I doubt the existance of God) there is as far as I am concerened no absolute morals therefore our sense of right and wrong must hae some evolutionary use.

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"The Truth may be out there but the lies are in your head"
"I tend to think if God wanted us to believe in him he'd exist."

You are wrong! Wrong, wrong, wrong! Cause and effect will teach right from wrong. This whether you believe in God or not. Stop playing!

How do Cause and Effect teach us our morals.

To quote my philoshopy teacher "You can't get an is from an aught."

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"The Truth may be out there but the lies are in your head"
"I tend to think if God wanted us to believe in him he'd exist."

I didn't say cause and effect teach us morals, pay attention, I said it teaches us wrong from right. From that we define our morals.

O.K. how does cause and effect teach us right from wrong?

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"The Truth may be out there but the lies are in your head"
"I tend to think if God wanted us to believe in him he'd exist."

I am beginning not to like you because you are wasting my time. Either you are retarded or you deliberately want to irritate me. I sent you an excerpt, plus countless post on this matter. Do not send me post if you do not intend to read what I say. I am done with you.

I do read what you say however when you blantly contradict me issues of fact. In this case what Nietsche meant which is new ground. You can't expect me to ignore it. Maybe I should have made it clearer what he meant by concept of God (any supreme being) but I thought that would have been obvious.
And Phix the reason I argue so much is I do genuinly want to be convinced of the existance of God. I prefered my life when I belived and am hoping somone will convince me unfourtunatly I have become very sceptical.

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"The Truth may be out there but the lies are in your head"
"I tend to think if God wanted us to believe in him he'd exist."

How so? A child learns the difference between right and wrong from parents. Morals also do come from society. The ideas and ideals around us form our morals, if someone grows up in household and/or group of people that teaches/believes that sex before marriage is wrong, then it shall become accepted by the individual as part of their moral system. On that same vein, a child that grows up in a household and/or group of people that does not believe that sex before marriage is wrong will take that as part of their moral system. Of course, before you say anything, there are exceptions to the rule.

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"As long as you can laugh at yourself you will never cease to be amused." ~Anonymous

True. Morals can evolve though. If I believe that violence is right, then couldn't that (over a period of time) evolve into me believe that killing is right as well?

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--Mommy always said, "Cheaters never win." but when I throw on god mode I always seem to win . . .

What I meant was more does having morals posses an evolutionary advantage not wether one moral can change into another.

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"The Truth may be out there but the lies are in your head"
"I tend to think if God wanted us to believe in him he'd exist."

Celestial Wurm: You are right, they can. As new ideas come in.

Sigsfried: It depends. Animals may not have morals, and then, yet again, they might. But in the case that they don't, do animals have wars? No. Then again, an animals morals could be totally different. We don't know these things. It could be that we are the lower life forms. We just don't know.

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"As long as you can laugh at yourself you will never cease to be amused." ~Anonymous