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No you assume there is a God you then say if there was a God he would inspire us.
Therefore as we see people ibsiped there is a God. It ignores the possibility there is no God and inspiration can be explained (potentially at least) with science.

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No you assume there is a God you then say if there was a God he would inspire us.
Therefore as we see people ibsiped there is a God. It ignores the possibility there is no God and inspiration can be explained (potentially at least) with science.
No I explain inspiration as evidence of a design. I suggest that God is the original design, the grand organizing design, G.O.D. This has nothing to do with benevolence or personality.


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O.K. I'm sure we will have had this before but do you mean G.O.D. is the original deign of the universe. If so when is it meant to be. Have we reached that design or must we wait longer? Or is it some universal deign of the universe from begginning to end (removing any hope of free will)?

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For the last time__
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do you mean G.O.D. is the original deign of the universe
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If so when is it meant to be. Have we reached that design or must we wait longer?
Not wait but work longer. I don't know what the final result will be but we can't effectively do our part untill we establish heaven on earth, peace. This will be the beginning for us, not the end.
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is it some universal deign of the universe from begginning to end (removing any hope of free will)?
I told you that God's will is experienced as cause and effect. Freewill is volition (The power to choose). Once you choose, cause and effect will determine the consequence but, you still choose. You have freewill.


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At what point do we have this choice? Basically when does determinism break down?

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You gotta think some if you want to understand these post. I already explained it. Cause and effect - Frewill. 2 different things occuring at 2 different times. Ask the professior who taught you to explain it. It is with them that your confidence lies.


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You have to remeber I don't actually accept that there is Free Will. To my way of thinking the universe is sufficently deterministic to predict human actions if enough information is known.

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You have to remeber I don't actually accept that there is Free Will. To my way of thinking the universe is sufficently deterministic to predict human actions if enough information is known.
You may be right about that. I actually feel this is a strong possibility because even with free will as I described it, it is still based on past information and experiences that collectively influence one's choice. Keep me posted about anything you find pertaining to this.


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