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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2003 2:34 pm 
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hmm yea i understand what your saying. i understand it now i think. i love that word so much "silence" it is used so much and has such a peaceful meaning, its becoming one of my favourites!!!!!!!

the boy in the mirror

the boy in the mirror is basically u, u cannot posibly see urself blink with both eyes, since your eyes wil be closed!!

but yea

look at my "paradox pictures" in the fluff forum


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The barber paradox:

The barber shaves every man in town who doesn't shave himself.

Q: Does the barber have a beard?

A: She has a beard, but not on her chin.

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hehehe interesting, but it is a paradox, the barber has neither a beard, and he is not shaved. Which then...is impossible.


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She shaves every man in town who doesn't shave himself. The barber is a woman. No paradox. Get it?

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ahhh yes i see it. paradoxes are kewl.

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You'll appreciate this. It's a classic paradox...and it's Greek.

The Epimenides Paradox (a.k.a. the Liar's Paradox).

1. Epimenides is a Cretan.
2. Epimenides states, "All Cretans are liars."

Epimenides, being a Cretan, must either be a liar or a truth-teller. Thus his statement must be either true or false. But if it's true, then he (being a Cretan) must be a liar, so the statement can't be true. On the other hand, his statement is false, then he can't be a liar, so the statement must be true.

This comes from a website where you'll also find the solution:

http://www.flash.net/~dtribble/text/liar.htm

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hey thanks mr,

Ahh yes i know a very similar paradox, a man saying "i always lie"

It was probably derived from Epimendes paradox. The Greeks did come up with some pretty good paradoxes....

Have you checked out those paradox pictures that i put on, some freaky things there aswell, well interesting though.

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I am dry on the subject of water.

I am dry on the subject of rivers.

I am wet on the subject of wines only because I favor a very dry burgundy.

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Water, water every where
Nor any drop to drink.

--S.T. Coleridge, The Ancient Mariner



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 9:04 pm 
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Hey GB, i don't know if this is what you were looking for, but here are a few interesting paradoxes, or explanations of paradoxes rather, that made me think:

One can never reach the end of a racecourse, for in order to do so one would first have to reach the halfway mark, then the halfway mark of the remaining half, then the halfway mark of the final fourth, then of the final eighth, and so on ad infinitum. Since this series of fractions is infinite, one can never hope to get through the entire length of the track (at least not in a finite time).
But things get even worse than this. Just as one cannot reach the end of the racecourse, one cannot even begin to run. For before one could reach the halfway point, one would have to reach the 1/4 mark, and before that the 1/8 mark, etc., etc. As there is no first point in this series, one can never really get started (this is known as the Reverse Dichotomy).

An arrow in flight is really at rest. For at every point in its flight, the arrow must occupy a length of space exactly equal to its own length. After all, it cannot occupy a greater length, nor a lesser one. But the arrow cannot move within this length it occupies. It would need extra space in which to move, and it of course has none. So at every point in its flight, the arrow is at rest. And if it is at rest at every moment in its flight, then it follows that it is at rest during the entire flight.
The Arrow does not present as serious a problem as the others. One can concede to Zeno that at each instant the arrow does not move. But it doesn't follow that the arrow does not move at all. The concept of motion can simply be understood as "occupying different points of space at different points in time." That the arrow is motionless at each instant is beside the point. In fact, since motion requires time, it does not make sense for there to be motion at timeless instants.

I hope you found these interesting!


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Thanks SNS, yea those are what I'm looking for. I've heard of both Zeno's arrow and the Zeno's race course. Some great paradoxes there. Thanks for sharing!

More information on the two paradoxes:

Zeno’s Paradox of the Race Course
http://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/320/zeno1.htm

Zeno’s Paradox of the Arrow
http://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/3 ... Arrow.html
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lo ... arrow.html



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Being reminded of the Coleridge line about water was great.
http://www.clean.ns.ca/15/water.htm

Day after day, day after day,
We stuck, nor breath nor motion;
As idle as a painted ship
Upon a painted ocean.

Water, water, every where,
And all the boards did shrink;
Water, water, every where,
Nor any drop to drink.

The very deep did rot: O Christ!
That ever this should be!
Yea, slimy things did crawl with legs
Upon the slimy sea.
http://www.alsintl.com/poetry/rimeofmarinerii.htm
http://www.literaturepage.com/read/rime ... ner-3.html


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I think that it is a paradox that most people who are "Pro Life" on the issue of abortion are also supporters of Capitol Punishment.

I am going to come out the closet and make a public statement. I a Pro Choice. If it is legal then it is not immoral. One of the contributing reasons that clinical abortion exist is to prevent unqualified people from preforming the surgery. Back in the old days young ladies would attempt to get an abortion by unqualified people on the "Black Market."

I also endorse Capitol Punishment for violent crimes.

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the flip side of the political coin... a real life paradox:

Pro-abortion people tend to be anti-right-to-die..... it is ok to kill an unborn child, but you may not kill yourself or assist anyone who wishes death as one's only relief from terminal pain and suffering, i.e one's final salvation....

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