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 Post subject: The Human Suffering
PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:01 am 
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Please exclude religious and moral issues on this one. Is human suffering caused by sin or just that humans simply suffer? Thanks.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:10 am 
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What's "suffering"?

I mean, if suffering is simply feeling pain, physically or mentally, it's just nature telling you something's not right. Nothing to do with "sin".
I find it weird from you to exclude religion and morality and then ask if sins cause suffering...

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I'm with Unnil on this one. If we exclude the religious and moral dimension, then there are no sins as such.

Just stuff that's good for you and stuff that ain't.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:22 am 
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You have a point but the reason why it was asked that way is to know if we can possibly settle the issue of human suffering (lingering famine, incurable diseases, baseless war and other personal trubulations) without these two borders being considered.

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Then I don'T think so, no :)

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:21 pm 
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Try this, Lingering famine would be a combination of poor climate, uneducated agricucultural methods and stupid religious doctrines relating to contraception.

Baseless war does not exist, more the basis lacks reason. Bear in mind those who start and continue wars rarely suffer any personal hardship.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:57 am 
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Suffering is caused by human nature. Without suffering, we would not know what living WITHOUT suffering would be like, so in order to appreciate what we have, human nature means some of us have to suffer.

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Lingering famine is one of the most effective social tools of control.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:05 pm 
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That depends entirely on what you are trying to control.

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The way I see it, war is caused because certain politicians are just in it for the money and certain soldiers are in it for the bloodshed. Famine is caused by war, poor farming methods, and overpopulation. I don't think this will ever be fixed.

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After 15 years of service, I've not met many who were 'in it for the bloodshed'.

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yes... its wholly and solely because of humans...


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I attribute human suffering to unchangeable characteristics in nature and humans.


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Human suffering can be caused by one's own actions or it could be no fault of the person. I think human's will eventually eliminate all human suffering. That probably won't be for hundreds or thousands of years.


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I disagree. It will be never. Because we are flawed.


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