Quotations and Literature Forum

That is an opinion.
A truth is backed up by fact, and by nature.

The reason that "Murder is wrong" is always wrong is because it disrupts nature. The cycle of life; the harmony.

If I lived in an antarctic region would not fact and nature make it true?

Mouldy bread is a good thing?

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السلام عليكم

Been following this great but confusing discussion with difficulty, so went to the dictionary:

1. TRUTH Quality or state of being true...........(or accurate or honest or sincere etc.)

2. a) TRUE In accordance with fact or reality

b) TRUE in accordance with reason(whose?) or correct principles (whose?) or accepted standard (whose?)..................

So that implies truth can be both fact or flexible

Mind you FACT is defined as "Thing certainly known to have occurred or be TRUE............

So even facts could be flexible ?

My personal preference is to believe facts to be provable whereas truth could vary with a perceived reality, but that is just my opinion.

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The most wasted of all days is one without laughter.
e e cummings (1894 - 1962)

If truth relies on fact, religion is in a bit of trouble, as is law.

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السلام عليكم

Ah, but this is where get-out clause b) comes into play!

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The most wasted of all days is one without laughter.
e e cummings (1894 - 1962)

Clause B. suggests truth to be whatever you want it to be, since all three measures are subjective. Even the earlier mentioned reality is open to debate.

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السلام عليكم

Exactly - however in general one would hope and expect those various reasons, principles and standards were based on decency and commonsense, justice and equality etc.


Different people/groups/communities/cultures will have different definitions for those qualities, leading to some very different "Truths", but not necessarily bad or wrong - just different.
But also leading to some very twisted versions of Truth.

So, do "seekers after Truth" only gain one truth of many?

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The most wasted of all days is one without laughter.
e e cummings (1894 - 1962)

Did you know that if we could trust that most rare commodity, 'common sense' we would not need traffic lights or all those bloody annoying signs.

Another variation on the original, facts are for scientists, truth is for philosophers.

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السلام عليكم

Thanks for chipping in, gumtree.

An opinion backed up by cold, hard, scientific fact would make that opinion true, no?

Or once it became fact it would move past being an opinion.

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السلام عليكم

I agree with that statement. Does that mean that What Is True Is True? If not, why not?

Back to the original idea:
The way one interprets/sees/perceives something doesn't change or create reality/what is true.

I think it does, for the same reasons as I question what truth is.

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السلام عليكم

This may interest you both, I was looking up reality and found all these other opinions re fact and truth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality

Now I am totally and utterly confused and shall retire to my own personal reality. DSW, I believe yours is uncomfortably hot just now - my sympathies

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The most wasted of all days is one without laughter.
e e cummings (1894 - 1962)

"I believe yours is uncomfortably hot just now - my sympathies"

And that's the truth!

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السلام عليكم

Everything could be agreed or disagreed upon ... point is; how we live with both opinions peacefully. Debate is the main theme of life hence, we should proceed more smoothly and smartly.

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Being a lady is an attitude.