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Tommy GS
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The way one interprets/sees/perceives something doesn't change or create reality/what is true.
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:25 am |
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Truth is flexible, but your proposition does not alter facts.
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Tommy GS
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:37 pm |
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How do you separate truth from facts?
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:59 pm |
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Fact: Two molecules of hydrogen + one of oxygen is water.
Truth: The best thing to drink is water.
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Tommy GS
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:09 pm |
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Is "the best thing to drink is water" a *truth* or an *opinion*?
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:31 pm |
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Precisely, truth is variable, facts are not.
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Tommy GS
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:39 pm |
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I think I disagree, because "truth" is not synonymous with "opinion".
Opinions can be wrong, and truth is truth - it stays as it is. Does it not?
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:40 pm |
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Facts are what is presented as truth, Truth is what is.
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:47 am |
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Who's truth? Jesus is truth, but Mohammed is truth, but g-d is truth, not to mention Buddah. Is catholocism more true than the baptists? Pagans would hold a different truth to Mormons. Lawyers get paid to create truth on behalf of clients. Those who preach the 'one' truth are only really expressing an opinion.
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Tommy GS
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:42 pm |
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If a guilty man is charged with his crime, but cannot be *proven* guilty, does that make him innocent?
If you look out at a tree and see the leaves, you would say it is green.
But if a colorblind man looks at a tree, he would say that it is gray... but isn't the tree still green?
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:11 pm |
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For the colour blind man is it not true that the leaves are grey?
For you the truth is the leaves are green, but colour blindness has degrees, so the truth for me is it is likely a different shade.
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Tommy GS
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:17 pm |
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I thought the statement was interesting the first time I heard it. It made it very clear to me that What Is Is and how we see things doesn't change What Is.
There is obviously scientific evidence as to why the perception of the colorblind man's opinion is wrong.
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:09 am |
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Not factual, but for him, true.
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Tommy GS
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:03 pm |
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Hmm... not factual, but true. I'm not sure I can grasp that; how is that possible?
Can a fact be a lie, too?
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:25 pm |
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A colourblind man swears to tell the truth, whole truth and nothing but.
He is asked "what colour car did you see?" he answers "Grey your Honour." "Ah" says the slimy lawyer, "but others have testified it was yellow." Which witnesses were telling the truth?
In fact, what colour was the car?
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