Quotations and Literature Forum

oh dear, i hate that quote.
you've got me mistaken.
i like beauty,but only if its real,
like a candle in the wind
or the shape of the wheel.
i do not,however assioate anything human with beauty.
humans are filthy digusting creatures of habit.
me thinking this, when i have to leave my house my chin stays down,
i do not want to look around.
and for you to care about this "love" seems rather silly.
all love is,is sex with extra baggage
and thats the truth.

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anything without structure is not worth reading.
i dont care what its about,
because first its poetry then society,
where we wander all about.

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The world is nothing because of structure.

Raven

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~Verin (The Wheel of Time)

structure is everything.
we just dont have enough

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and now professor, I must point out that you are mistaken.
On two counts.
First, you are incorrect to say that structure is everything. Balance is everything. Structure is merely one small part of many collectives states of being to create balance.

Second, you are wrong in your opinion of love's importance.
Love is another state to create balance, and therefore of the utmost importance. Arguably more important than structure because of it's various powerful effect on human beings.

Love is as important as hate, as important as structure which is as important as chaos. To say any emotion, any state of being, any frame of mind or action is futile or "silly" is ignorant to truth. Even your rather melancoly (spl?) state of mind is necessary to the balance of the universe.

I would also like to say, with all due respect, that you are, in my opinion, a coward. Please understand I would not say that if I didn't hold your intellect in high enough regard to know that we can continue on with decency towards each other. But I did say it because a refusal to look around at the world and an apparant refusal to experience a full spectrum of emotions seems to be cowardly.

Yin

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where is this coming from?
i need a source that proves you are correct
an offense is an offense even in respect.
i stated my opinion on structure,which is mine alone,
to me,structure is balance,
they go hand in hand.
how can you tell me i refuse an emotion?
this information,i demand
indeed it's a silly notion.
i've expierenced it and i cant say i care for it.
a coward,would run from love,
that was not my intent.
i have nothing to fear from it,
as i love people myself.
to be so cold hearted would be bad for my health.
but even though i "love" someone,i know im being quite foolish
people are dishonest filthy things
it'll happen to you too.
they tell you lies to build you trust,
kiss you if they must,
run you over with a bus
and then completely screw you.

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Tom5030

A point that the Professor alluded to in your debate regarding love that I think would have helped if it was fully explained/explored is that there is a philosophical argument that there is no such thing as altruism, that everything done is done for the benefit of one's self.

Example:
Person A loves person B and performs a "self sacrificing" act for person B
(this is not a novel, I don't have to provide a storyline)
Most would agree that person A did this because s/he loves person B
This philisophical platform would insist that A's actions were performed because they made A feel good and that was their reward.

This argument applies to interpersonal love as well as brotherly love (the money/food to kids in Africa example)

And before everyone rails at me, I'm not validating nor denegrating this philisophical argument, merely trying to facilitate the discussion.

And Professor, if none of this coincides with what you were trying to convey, then you're on your own here.

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Professor Logic

Leaving aside the discussion of love for the moment, would like to submit an argument based on each the following



Beauty, to cite a trite phrase, is in the eye of the beholder. It is a term used to describe a perception, and therefore can never be real, only relative.



Structure has a couple of meanings that I can think of and I am not sure which you intended.

Structure as the way in which animals organize themselves and their surroundings in order to control the world around them. If this is what you meant in saying that we don't have enough, then fascism's for you, good buddy.

Structure as the way in which humans categorize the world around them in order to better be able to understand it. If this is what you meant, then I agree that we don't have enough, but I will say that it is getting better almost every day.



"like a candle in the wind or the shape of the wheel," both of which are inherently associated with humans. Neither exists anywhere in nature unto themselves.

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Professor,
You have me confused about what you have said. First you say that you do not believe in love. That it is overated, and that anyone who feels love is foolish and only doing it for reasons of the self. Then you say that you have loved, and do love people, but know that it is foolish. Even though you know, you must not have realized your own notions then. knowing and understanding are very different from realizing. If you would have realized, then you wouldn't love anyone. Hence, you are a contradiction to yourself. Not saying that is a bad thing. Everyone in life is a contradiction.

Raven

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"You must learn there is a time to speak all of the truth, and a time to govern your tongue."
~Verin (The Wheel of Time)

Sometimes a young person who lacks wisdom will use cynicism as a way to cover up their ignorance. Cynicism is a sort of self-imposed blindness.
Those who suffer from obsessive compulsive disorder need structure in their lives. They can't help it.

With that quote, my intention is not to "cover up my ignorance". Who is not ignorant? With the cynicism quote for Prof. Logic, I was just using to it as my point. And my point is the value thing that I discussed.

Yikes, I hope that made sense.

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Tom,
I should have been more clear. I had "the professor" in mind when I said what I did, not you sweetie!

Ah, well, I thought it was me because I'm young (I'm an old soul, but young), and I gave that cynicism quote.

.......Was that a grunt?

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Yes, Tom, that one was a grunt!

Actually, OCD is a bit too much structure.

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