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 Post subject: Mein Kampf
PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 5:38 pm 
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Hello,

While I often times disagree with what they say, I am intrigued at the logic used by some of the world's past and present controversial leaders, recently Adolf Hitler. A while ago I had started to read his novel Mein Kampf, but I was forced to stop when I nearly got suspended from school just for having a copy of it in my loccer. Of the portion I did read, however, i was fascinated at how rational Hitler was able to make his arguments, and at how similar his childhood was to that of the many today. If anyone knows if its possible for me to find a copy of the novel on-line somewhere, I would be greatful. I would also love to hear comments on the rest of the book if someone has read it.


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I was forced to stop when I nearly got suspended from school just for having a copy of it in my loccer.

Sigh. Welcome to the new democracy.

There are a number of copies of M.K. online. I won't link to one specifically because I believe it's still legally under copyright, but try Google.

I haven't read it myself, but I encourage everyone to read every viewpoint that interests them. Visit your local public library - most librarians know that attempting to withhold information from the public just because we disagree with it is a good way to pick up where Hitler left off.

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 Post subject: Mein Kampf
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I started to read 'Mein Kampf'. Not because I'm a fascist or any supporter of that murderer. But because I was curious.

I didn't read it all, it's unreadable. It jumps from subject to subject - not in a charming amusing way - but more in a completely in-disciplined way.

The man knew a little about a lot. Fine when you're ranting to the masses - and that was that man's skill - but when you have to put it down in words and other people can see it - and point it out and say: 'wait a minute ...'

Hitler said he distrusted the written word, and you can see why. It showed the paucity in his thought.

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Hello! I come here often, and seen this, so I finially registered :). I have aread the book and I personally think its a work of art, and I don't think any other book is like it (for its writing style). Hitler was a great public speaker, and that is exactly how the book is written. You have to remember reading it (as stated in some/most of the translated copies) that not everything Hitler talked about was true, and a big part of the book was propaganda. It can get confusing at time, but hang in there. I still do not fully understand the book, and that is why I will read it agian when I get older and maybe then i'll be able to understand more. My english teacher hated me because she thought "it was a book not meant for the people". I picked it up at Barnes and Nobles for 20 dollars, but as already said your local library should have it.


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Mr Wiz, everybody's entitled to their opinion*.

You've given it on the book. What about the writer of the book, as an individual, leaving aside his obvious crimes. My own opinion, he was the ultimate mother's boy**. What do you think?

(* Not a sentiment subscribed to by Mr Hitler.)
(In USA I think the term is 'butter boy'?)

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butterboy I believe is an old east coast way of saying it (atleast that's how my east coast relatives would say) but I believe momma's boy is the newer term which is similar to what you have said. My opinion is the same as yours, he was a momma's boy. I don't really have too great of an opinion about the man.


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 Post subject: Mein krampf
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Well, I haven't read the book but... I guess I can post my opinion of Mr. Hitler. What I have to say is... I think he was a spoiled brat. Or so it seems to me he killed thousands of people just because they weren't in his image of perfection and because he disliked them. I think he forgot that first and formost there is no such thing as perfection and the world wasn't created to please us.
There's one thing that... amazes me about him... and it's his power of persuasion. I mean he had to be very persuasive (powerful and scarry too of course but...) to be able to get so many people to agree with his point of view. Of course when you truly believe in what you say it's not hard to make others believe it too.
Well, that's what I think, you may disagree and I'm sure you may see it threw a different point of view if you've read the book but seeing as how I haven't (I will do so when I can. It's seems interesting dispite the fact the author was a dispicable character.) and that's just the way I see things.

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starsnshores,

Mein Kampf is not a novel it's an Auto biography..

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Shadows echo-

I couldn't help but notice your anachronistic opinions here:

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I think he was a spoiled brat. Or so it seems to me he killed thousands of people just because they weren't in his image of perfection and because he disliked them. I think he forgot that first and formost there is no such thing as perfection and the world wasn't created to please us.


Spoiled brat? Hitler had an abusive father who regularly beat his wife, they had little money and consistently failed academically.

Eugenically he was inspired by Nietzsche and others, the systematicness of the Holocaust was by no means whimsical or purely 'because he disliked them.' The Jews in particular became scapegoats for recent German history.

So far as I know, Hitler was not a deist and he wanted power, not a little nod of satisfaction from an omnipotent being.

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There's one thing that... amazes me about him... and it's his power of persuasion


Persuasive, yes. And perhaps even more so coercive.

MrWizard-

I think one of the reasons why you feel it is hard to understand and have dismissed parts of it as 'propaganda,' though I admit I have not read it myself is because you have not considered the contextual issues and you are wholly judging the book upon Hitler's later successes.

'Mein Kampf' was written when the said author was serving time in jail after a failed Munich putsch. He was a relative nobody, largely ignored because of his extremist ideas. It was only after he got out of prison (serving a reduced sentence from a sympathetic judge) that he decided to use democratic methods to attain power. He might very well have been writing such emphatic literature, but the reality was that he probably couldn't even conceive gaining a seat in the Reichstag, not least becoming a dictator.

MGM- You are entirely right, and I wholeheartedly agree.

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 Post subject: Worth
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I have never read Mein Kompf but did plan to, I'm very interested with sociological philosophy and would like to know:
1 If it really is worth reading.
2 If so what whould my expectations be.
3 What I will learn from it and how it may fuel my interests.

Any feedback is welcome and appreciated.

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According to the History Channel, Hitler was on the border between genius and insanity. I can believe it. He's a fascinating and amazing man, but he preached more or less everything that I don't believe in. At the same time, he was able to persuade Germany to adhere to what he has to say. How many people have that kind of ability, power...? (Not many, in my opinion.)

starsnshores, I'm surprised your school banned it. My school has a copy of it in the library. Go figure, huh?


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My fight! I haven't read it but I imagine if you want to read a book about hitlers struggle this would be it. I always thought the translation was "My Struggle", but then a german guy I met laughinly and ofhandedly calls it My Fight. It to me makes it sound less of a book and more propaganda.

Hitler seemed to want power beyond personal power. If he was influenced by Nietzsche, Nietzsche loved art and i think considered himself an artist. Hitler tried art, but lost a couple bids to the jews, so I've been informed.

The book I think would be good to read, and there are tons of bios of hitler, which I distrust because they are in "written word" :) If you want to, though, there is a movie by a truly great actor, an artist, who did great portrayal of that nationalist socialist fascist nationlist- that movie is the Great Dictator played by Charlie Chaplin!

I will be going to a protest walk at the market here today in Chiang Mai Thaliand. Now I am not trying to make a difference. But I am interested in seeing some excitement. I have nothing better to do. The biggest protest is tune in, turn on, drop out. The biggest protester is Timothy Leary. If you want to know Hitler's mind, so did Alfred Korzybski. His wor, Science and Sanity made a little reference to Hitler, his given name Scheckelgruber, or something like that, really a way of putting him in his place. Or was that Erik Erickson that does that psychological analysis? They both cover hitler and Nationalist Germany. And they are all the psychology of the future. It's a psychology of personal power and freedom and a psychology of "circuits of consciousness". They say our chief impressions are formed by around age of 7. Now this is the info I want to know about Hitler, so I can analyze his behavior in terms of imprints in his mind and nervous system. But that's assuming i have a use to.

It's wrong if they ban books like this, IMO, but I can understand the emotional charge it carries with it, in older generations. Still, what's most useful? Supress Free Speech? Prohibition?

I imagine it was this way with Napoleon. Bismark. Now nobody cares about these long dead names!

My fight must be a good interesting book. This guy led masses. It would be interesting to know what was in his mind, at least for a time. It would be interesting to know what surface structures he came up with.

But IMO first i would like to tackle the works of great men, Tolstoy, Korzybski (both counts btw- priveleged lifestyle, do i hear you say?) to understand the underlying psychology of the phenomenon. You know Hitler was in the occult? Only half the story ever gets told, if that.. Grain of salt in order. It's who controls information and vantage point. This book is one point of view. One peice of the WW2 puzzle

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I would never have thought of Mein Kampf as a book I would read, myself but it might be worth while
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