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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2002 5:52 am 
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My question: is there a proverb in English like the German: "Was du nicht willst, das man dir tu', das füg' auch keinem andern zu."

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Can you give us a rough translation? AltaVista's translator only comes up with this nonsensical version:

"Which you do not want, which one to you do ', add ' also no different one."

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mgm wrote:
Can you give us a rough translation? AltaVista's translator only comes up with this nonsensical version:

"Which you do not want, which one to you do ', add ' also no different one."


Ok, here is the sense:
What you don't like one is doing to you, don't do it to somebody else.

I hope that is understandable. It's a moral, to treat others like you wanted them to treat you.

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This sounds like what we English-speakers call the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."

Also, we say "What goes around, comes around." This saying is often used when someone who's been bad to other people has something bad happen to him/her, but it can apply to doing good as well. It's similar to the Eastern concept of karma, expressed in Biblical terms as "You reap what you sow."


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Thank you very much for all three versions! :D
The first one is - I guess - the equivalent to the German proverb.
But I can use the others, too.

...and learned a little more English again...

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Great! Thank you, Hannelore, for contributing the German proverb and increasing my knowledge -- what's the history of this saying?

I also thought this Shakespearean quotation from Julius Caesar fit in with well with this discussion, too: "The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones."


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The Golden Rule
As you give, so shall you receive.
Matthew 7:12 and Luke 6:31
(ausgewählt von John Marks Templeton)
"Was du nicht willst, daß man dir tut, das füg auch keinem andern zu!"
http://www.normanrentrop.de/subpagezit.php?key=liebe
http://www.info-servo.de/3ringe.htm

The following was all found at
http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk/golden.html

The Golden Rule
The Golden Rule or the ethic of reciprocity is found in the scriptures of nearly every religion. It is often regarded as the most concise and general principle of ethics. It is a condensation in one principle of all longer lists of ordinances such as the Decalogue.

Christian Faith
All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
~The Gospel of Matthew Matt 7:12, Luke 6:31

Bahá'í Faith
And if thine eyes be turned towards justice, choose thou for thy neighbour that which thou choosest for thyself.
~Epistle to the Son of the Wolf_, 30

Hindu Faith
This is the sum of duty: do naught to others which if done to thee would cause thee pain.
The Mahabharata

Jewish Faith
What is hateful to you, do not to your fellow men. That is the entire Law; all the rest is commentary.
The Talmud

Zoroastrian Faith
Whatever is disagreeable to yourself do not do unto others.
Shayast-na-Shayast 13:29

Buddhist Faith
Hurt not others with that which pains yourself.
Udana-Varga

Muslim Faith
No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself.
Hadith

And yet some other sources:

Do not do unto others what angers you if done to you by others.
~Isocrates 436-338 BCE

An it harm none, do what thou wilt.
~Wiccan Rede

Tzu-kung asked, 'Is there a single word which can be a guide to conduct throughout one's life?' The Master said, 'It is perhaps the word shu. Do not impose on others what you yourself do not desire.'
~Analects, 15.24

Refraining from doing what we blame in others.
By Thales

You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
~Judaism and Christianity. Bible, Leviticus 19.18

Not one of you is a believer until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself.
~Islam. Forty Hadith of an-Nawawi 13

A man should wander about treating all creatures as he himself would be treated.
~Jainism. Sutrakritanga 1.11.33

Try your best to treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself, and you will find that this is the shortest way to benevolence.
~Confucianism. Mencius VII.A.4

One should not behave towards others in a way which is disagreeable to oneself. This is the essence of morality. All other activities are due to selfish desire.
~Hinduism. Mahabharata, Anusasana Parva 113.8

Tsekung asked, Is there one word that can serve as a principle of conduct for life? Confucius replied, It is the word shu--reciprocity: Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you.
~Confucianism. Analects 15.23

Leviticus 19.18: Quoted by Jesus in Matthew 22.36-40. Mencius VII.A.4 and Analects 15.23: Cf. Analects 6.28.2, p. 975.

Comparing oneself to others in such terms as Just as I am so are they, just as they are so am I, he should neither kill nor cause others to kill.
~Buddhism. Sutta Nipata 705

One going to take a pointed stick to pinch a baby bird should first try it on himself to feel how it hurts.
~African Traditional Religions. Yoruba Proverb (Nigeria)

One who you think should be hit is none else but you. One who you think should be governed is none else but you. One who you think should be tortured is none else but you. One who you think should be enslaved is none else but you. One who you think should be killed is none else but you. A sage is ingenuous and leads his life after comprehending the parity of the killed and the killer. Therefore, neither does he cause violence to others nor does he make others do so.
~Jainism. Acarangasutra 5.101-2

The Ariyan disciple thus reflects, Here am I, fond of my life, not wanting to die, fond of pleasure and averse from pain. Suppose someone should rob me of my life... it would not be a thing pleasing and delightful to me. If I, in my turn, should rob of his life one fond of his life, not wanting to die, one fond of pleasure and averse from pain, it would not be a thing pleasing or delightful to him. For a state that is not pleasant or delightful to me must also be to him also; and a state that is not pleasing or delightful to me, how could I inflict that upon another?
As a result of such reflection he himself abstains from taking the life of creatures and he encourages others so to abstain, and speaks in praise of so abstaining.
~Buddhism. Samyutta Nikaya v.353

A certain heathen came to Shammai and said to him, Make me a proselyte, on condition that you teach me the whole Torah while I stand on one foot. Thereupon he repulsed him with the rod which was in his hand. When he went to Hillel, he said to him, What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor: that is the whole Torah; all the rest of it is commentary; go and learn.
~Judaism. Talmud, Shabbat 31a

Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
~Christianity. Bible, Matthew 22.36-40
http://www.apologeticspress.org/rr/bibb ... -01-76.htm


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Way cool reply, thenostromo -- excellent research; I enjoyed reading all of these contributions. I am not at all familiar with Jainism or the work Acarangasutra and will have to check it out.

I thought of another Shakespearean quotation a bit more appropo to this thread:

"If you prick us, do we not bleed?" --Shylock, Merchant of Venice


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Thank you very much, thenostromo! :D This is great material for my website.
I don't know where the German proverb came from, they told me when I was little and I didn't know it as the golden rule. Just as one of hundreds of proverbs with an ethically instruction.

What I didn't know is that "The Golden Rule" is found in all the religions or philosophies. But it doesn't surprise me, because it origins in the old matriarchal "law" (with just ONE rule): You can do everything but not harm (similar to the Wiccas saying). This was in pre-patriarchal times approx 30.000 to 2.500 BCE.
And in the todays religions you can find more material from the "Golden Times", so called eg in old Egypt.

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