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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:48 am 
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how come...."freedom has never been free?"

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:03 am 
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Becasue it has always come with a price, usually one of human lives, in order to gain freedom societies have always had to fight for it, it was never just handed down to them, it was never a given, it was something that had to be taken.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:58 am 
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cuz you can't just get it handed to you. "you get what you pay for." disclaimer: excludes people, clothing, cars, and anything else that you might buy or not buy. general side-effects include: everything you can possiblely think of, including but not limited to, death. please contact your doctor if this product actually does what its suppose to do, something is wrong with you then. please talk to your doctor before taking any type of medication and let him or her know of any meds that you're taking because this product can not have access to water or it will kill you immediately.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:59 am 
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*hanging head* sorry, to little sleep, and to many pain killers *walks away slowly*

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:01 pm 
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As the others have said, 'nothing is free' not even freedom. To gain something of any importance or value you must give something in return. Whether it be lives, money, or just your attention. Nothing comes free. But the best that comes, comes to those who wait.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:35 pm 
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I was wondering, if freedom has to be fought for and comes at a price, then are we all born slaves and live our life, in one form or another, fighting for freedom and eventually for the freedom of others? Is that not the meaning of life?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:53 pm 
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Well I was thinking on a wider scale of things, for instance the colonies who were orginialy on the US, they had to fight the Brittish to gain thier independence, and even if you go way before that, tirbes, countries, civilizations had to fight to earn freedom for thier nations, countries, clans. The Mexico fought a revolution for freedom from Spain, and so on and so forth.

There are not any nations that were ever just handed down thier freedom from thier oppreseres.

As for the individual it might be true on a smaller scale, when you are young, as you get older you reble for freedom from your parents, and if you want to be independent and have that freedom you have to earn it, mainly be getting a job so you can support yourself.

Or if you are in the lower class, you have to work to hard and have to many responseablities and concerns to have much freedom, and if you want that freedom you have to work for it and fight to try and climb out of the sitution you are in to move up and gain more in doing so.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:46 pm 
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What if freedom isn't free becuase someone will always be in the minority. For example We were free when we won the revolution but the African Americans were slaves to us. And every law that protects one group of people will always hurt another in some way or another. What I find interesting is that we came to America seeking religious freedom...and now that seems to be the very same thing that we are still fighting about today! We know there is a vast array of prices paid for something that we don't even truly have...freedom.

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Because true freedom cannot be achieved, not now, not ever.
This is because you are always limitid in choices: the state, family, yourself, and other people.


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Uh oh, here we go with another freedom discussion. :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:32 pm 
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Did someone say freedom? :P
Ooo well, yea like everyone else said: Freedom has its cost, Ghandi had to die to get his people freedom. There is so much truth to everything everyone has said over here. I think it is the neverending quest for freedom which makes it such an important part of our lives.


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I think the price is the easy part about freedom. The real question might be what exactly is freedom? Does a socialist think he's free? Is he free? A lot of questions for something that started out so simple.

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i think that freedom can not be given (why the current war in the middle east is pointless), is not free (why so many people die while trying to get it), and a personal thing based on knowledge and personal belief (one of those "what you don't know" type of things).

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If freedom was free then it wouldn't be a big deal, and we(humans) only think of big things or events in life. So for freedom to be free it wouldn't matter if we had it, because everyone would have it and that would then come back to the big deal/small deal scenerio as i was stating in the first sentence.

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I think that maybe freedom is a means of control for our country. When ever we go to war it's under the guise of freedom or security. It's amazing that people will fight and die for something that they truly don't even know what it is.

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