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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2002 3:22 pm 
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Let me be the first to start this ball rolling:

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
--Abraham Lincoln


Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels.
--Mark Twain


A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.
--Edward Abbey (1927-1989) US author


Beer commercials are so patriotic: 'Made the American Way.' What does that have to do with America? Is that what America stands for? Feeling sluggish and urinating frequently?
--Evelyn Waugh


If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.
--Thomas Paine


Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it.
-- Judge Learned Hand


The whole art of government consists in the art of being honest.
--President Thomas Jefferson


I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
--Patrick Henry


I borrowed these from this URL: http://home.att.net/~quotations/Fourth_of_July.html


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2002 6:15 pm 
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First, the Evelyn Waugh quote totally cracks me up.
Second, if Mark Twain ever said or wrote that quote that is attributed to him, he would have been quoting:

"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."
~Samuel Johnson, quoted in Boswell's Life of Johnson (vol. 2, p. 365)
April 7, 1775
http://www.xrefer.com/entry/208616

Third, here's a couple quotes for my contribution to the thread...

And say not thou "My country right or wrong,"
Nor shed thy blood for an unhallowed cause.
~John Quincy Adams (1767-1848) Congress, Slavery and an Unjust War, c. 1847

If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms, - never - never - never!
~William Pitt, the Elder (1708 - 1778)
British statesman. Speech, House of Lords, 18 Nov 1777


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"My country, right or wrong," is a thing that no patriot would think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying, "My mother, drunk or sober."
-- G. K. Chesterton (1874 - 1936)

Patriotism is often an arbitrary veneration of real estate above principles.
-- George Jean Nathan (1882 - 1958)

You can't separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom.
-- Malcolm X, Malcolm X Speaks, 1965

My country owes me nothing. It gave me, as it gives every boy and girl, a chance. It gave me schooling, independence of action, opportunity for service and honor. In no other land could a boy from a country village, without inheritance or influential friends, look forward with unbounded hope.
-- Herbert Hoover

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My Angel his name is freedom
Choose him to be your king;
He'll cut you a path from east to west
And fend you with his wing.


--Emerson


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Oh thus be it e'er when free men shall stand
Between their lov'd homes and war's desolation!
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Pow'r that has made and presrv'd us a nation
And conquer we must when our cause is just
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the Star-Spangled Banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
— Francis Scott Key

I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.
— Thomas Jefferson


Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.
— Thomas Paine


If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
— Samuel Adams

In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, Brave, Hated, and Scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot.
— Mark Twain

The basis of our political system is the right of the people to make and to alter their constitutions of government.
— George Washington's Farewell Address, September 17, 1796

Patriotism is your conviction that
this country is superior to all other countries
because you were born in it.
— George Bernard Shaw

Patriotism is often an arbitrary veneration
of real estate above principles.
— George Jean Nathan

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"We hold these truths to be self-evident,—that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." - Thomas Jefferson

"The world will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us--that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion--that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth." -- Abraham Lincoln

Happy Fourth.


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Concord Hymn

Ralph Waldo Emerson

By the rude bridge that arched the flood.
Their flag to April's breeze unfurled,
Here once the embattled farmers stood
And fired the shot heard round the world.

The foe long since in silence slept;
Alike the conqueror silent sleeps;
And Time the ruined bridge has swept
Down the dark stream which seaward creeps.

On this green bank, by this soft stream,
We set to-day a votive stone;
That memory may their deed redeem,
When, like our sires, are sons are gone.

Spirit, that made those heros dare
To die and leave their children free,
Bid Time and Nature gently spare
The shaft we raise to them and thee.


Sung at the July 4, 1837 ceremony to mark the completion of the Concord Monument, to immortalize the resistance of American Minutemen to British forces on April 19, 1775. The poem's phrase "shot heard round the world" is now internationally famous for its description of the philosphical importance of the American revolution.

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I would have been willing to bet money that "the shot heard around the world" was around long before Emerson used it in Concord Hymn.

The Gettysburg Address, November 19, 1863
http://www.usconstitution.net/getty.html
http://www.state.ga.us/civilwar/1863.html
http://www.blupete.com/Literature/Speec ... ddress.htm

"The Battle of Gettysburg occurred over three hot summer days, July 1 to July 3, 1863..."
http://www.top-education.com/Speeches/a ... incoln.htm

April 19, 1775, The Battle of Lexington
The Shot Heard Around The World
http://www.hqusareur.army.mil/htmlinks/ ... _heard.htm
http://www.mountalverniahs.org/Mahs/His ... ttle-2.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranc ... xingto.htm
http://www.historictrees.org/TreeDirect ... asp?TK=534
http://www.fay-west.com/scenes/pages/48 ... le05.shtml

The "shot heard around the world" refers to the battle at Lexington and Concord that started the Revolutionary War. When we won our independence, we became the first democracy in modern times (all other counties at that time were either monarchies or colonies of monarchies). About 20 years later, France overthrew its king in the French Revolution and then the ball really started rolling. Inspired by the United States, the colonies of Spain and Portugal in Latin America and South America declared their independence. Later on came the colonies of the European powers in Asia and Africa.
So "the shot heard round the world" refers to the battle that started the elimination of the all powerful ruling monarchies (not to be confused with the figurehead monarchies still in Britain, Spain, Sweden, etc.) and the worldwide spread of democraticly elected government.
http://phrases.shu.ac.uk/bulletin_board ... s/660.html

By the rude bridge that arched the flood,
Their flags to April's breeze unfurled,
Here once the embattled farmers stood,
And fired the shot heard round the world.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Concord Hymn" (1837)

One specific night there was a dinner in town with some people in attendance you may have heard of - John Hancock and Samuel Adams. It was a very particular night actually, it was the night that Paul Revere would make his most famous ride.
At dinner earlier that night John Hancock and Samuel Adams asked Pastor Clark a question. They asked him if war were to break out with England, would the people of Lexington fight? Pastor Clark did not say things like, "I do not know," or "I am not sure." Pastor Clark responded, "I have trained them for just that." The next day "the shot heard around the world" was fired near his church, within only a few yards of the parsonage.
http://www.creationworldview.org/Articl ... e%2015.htm


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I would have been willing to bet money that "the shot heard around the world" was around long before Emerson used it in Concord Hymn.


Sure it was. Neither he nor anyone else I know of has claimed Emerson originated the phrase.

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But perhaps Emerson's was the most original use of the phrase . . .

Along similar lines, Mark Twain, in writing of George Washington's cherry tree response "I cannot tell a lie," said "That was the earthquake that rocked the planet."

I love that line.


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Here's the complete text of the Twain essay that includes that line...
http://www.hannibal.net/twain/works/fir ... f_it_1900/

Of course, apparently Twain was unaware that George Washington didn't really say "I cannot tell a lie" and that the line actually originated in a biography of Washington, heavy with poetic license, written by Mason "Parson" Weems in 1799, but that's another story entirely. :)

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