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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2002 3:58 pm 
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...any help in determining both the source and accuracy of the following two quotes would be greatly appreciated...1) Man can only have as much truth as the gods allow...2) The gods cannot do, what man must do for himself.../pna123


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Didn't have much luck with the first one. The second one does appear to be Homer.

Athena
Goddess of Athens and wisdom who helped Odysseus throughout his journey to Troy, and back to Ithaca. She also gave helpful advice to Penelope and Telemachus, by appearing before them or by entering their dreams or disguising herself as someone else. She also tests Telemachus and Odysseus in a way. At the beginning of his journey to Troy, Odysseus is told by Athena that gods don’t do for man, what man must do for himself. This is why, she doesn’t always make everything perfect for him. When he’s out at sea, she aids him, but still makes him fight for himself. Also, when Telemachus is addressing the assembly, she disguises herself as Mentor and observes him to see how he is doing.
http://www.asmilan.org/hschool/odyssey/ ... Athena.htm

"But it will be truth," cried Katuti, "as soon as the Gods allow you to
be--as you are--the real king of this country."
http://gutenberg.kkb.bib.dk/etext04/ge06v10.txt

Man can only have an understanding of God by
spiritual discernment: Natural man can not comprehend God
with a finite mind and intellect any more than any can fully
comprehend eternity it is a great mystery only to be
understood by the believer through revelation.


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IF ANYONE CAN TELL ME WHO SAID THIS QUOTE OR WHERE I CAN FIND OUT ABOUT IT. IT WAS ON THE FLIGHT HANGER IN BE WAH, VIETMAN THE BASE MY BROTHER FLEW FROM IN THE VIETMAN WAR IN THE 60'S. HE WAS AN AIR FORCE PILOT. THE QUOTE IS "WE WOULD BE PEACEFUL BUT IF WE MUST, FIGHT WITH THE FURY OF THE LIONS".

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We would be peaceful but if we must, fight with the fury of the lions.


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I could not find it on the Internet.
That seems to be derived from:

The Hummingbird
When it feeds, it appears as if immoveable, though continually on the wing; and sometimes, from what motives I know not, it will tear and lacerate flowers into a hundred pieces: for, I strange to tell, they are the most irascible of the feathered tribe. Where do passions find room in so diminutive a body? They often fight with the fury of lions, until one of the combatants falls a sacrifice and dies.
~ Letters from an American farmer, by J. Hector St. John de Crevecouer, reprinted from the original ed., with a prefatory note by W. P. Trent and an introduction by Ludwig Lewisohn. New York, Fox, Duffield, 1904.
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/CREV/letter10.html

In Studies in Classic American Literature, Lawrence quotes Crevecoeur as asking, "Where do passions find room in so diminutive a body? They often fight with the fury of lions, until one of the combatants falls a sacrifice and dies." To which Lawrence wonders, "Lions no bigger than inkspots! . . . Birds are evidently no angels in America, or to the true American. He sees how they start and flash their wings like little devils, and stab each other with egoistic sharp bills." (p. 33/_Studies in Classic Am. Lit._/Penguin)
http://home.earthlink.net/~rudedog2/hummingbirdpoem.htm

"When the army knows that their families and homes are at their backs, the will fight with the fury of dragons."
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