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weberwu
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:52 am |
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I like this "quotation" that is often used:
Education is not about filling a bucket/pail, it's [about] lighting a fire.
It is attributed to William Butler Yeats, but it is quite unlike his
poetry. I cannot find the quote in the online Yeats. Does anyone have a reference to the source of this quote? I have begun to hate all this "quotation" business with wrong attributions!
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Romeo
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 8:41 am |
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I cannot find the exzact orgin of the quote, where it was orginaly said or written but all my research tends to indicate that indeed it was quoted by Yeats
_________________ Every man carries a circle of hell around his head like a halo. Every man, every man has to go through hell to reach his paradise.
Robert De Niro, Cape Fear
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thenostromo
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:36 am |
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It is definitely attributed to Yeats but I gave up trying to find a source for it.
"Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire" -- W.B. Yeats
Education is not filling a pail, but lighting a fire.
~ William Butler Yeats
http://www.quotemeonit.com/yeats.html
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:55 pm |
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This line is not included in my books of quotations under the name of Yeats or anyone else. The internet is quick to seize upon a mistake and replicate it again and again. I like the comparison between the humdrum and the inspirational attitudes to education, but I share your doubts about its origin.
By education most have been misled. John Dryden
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weberwu
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 9:04 am |
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I can't leave this alone -
now I've found it attributed to Heraclitus:
"Education has nothing to do with filling a pail, rather it has everything to do with igniting a flame."
----Heraclitus
I wrote to the author of the paper that used the "quote" to ask him where he found it. He said it was from one of those "Inspiration-A-Day" calendars.
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weberwu
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 2:49 pm |
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This at least would make some sort of sense, because Plutarch did write on education:
"The mind is not a vessel to be filled, but a fire to be ignited".
Of course, I can find lots of use of this quote, but no exact source for it. Any ideas?
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 5:49 pm |
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Quote: We must encourage (each other ) - once we have grasped the basic points - to interconnecting everything else on our own, to use memory to guide our original thinking, and to accept what someone else says as a starting point, a seed to be nourished and grow. For the correct analogy for the mind is not a vessel that needs filling but wood that needs igniting - no more - and then it motivates one towards originality and instills the desire for truth. Suppose someone were to go and ask his neighbors for fire and find a substantial blaze there, and just stay there continually warming himself: that is no different from someone who goes to someone else to get to some of his rationality, and fails to realize that he ought to ignite his own flame, his own intellect, but is happy to sit entranced by the lecture, and the words trigger only associative thinking and bring, as it were, only a flush to his cheeks and a glow to his limbs; but he has not dispelled or dispersed, in the warm light of philosophy, the internal dank gloom of his mind. ~ Plutarch http://extraordinarylistening.com/resou ... tarch.htmlhttp://www.extraordinarylistening.com/b ... tening.pdf
"At times our own light goes out and is rekindled by a spark from another person. Each of us has cause to think with deep gratitude of those who have lighted the flame within us."
-- Albert Schweitzer
"Learning of many things does not teach intelligence."
-- Heraclitus, Fragments
Yes, I know from where I come!
Insatiable like the fire
Do I glow, consume myself.
Light is everything that I seize,
Ashes everything that I leave:
Fire am I without fail.
~ Friedrich Nietzsche, " Ecce Homo" (See, What a Man)
http://faculty.frostburg.edu/phil/forum/PhilFilm6.htm
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weberwu
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:29 am |
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Okay, this does sound like Plutarch, but *where* is it? I've just searched the on-line Plutarch at the Gutenberg Library and cannot find this. The "translation" is only on the Listening Institute home page and on material available there. Of course, Plutarch did write quite a bit, but I cannot find the exact reference.
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rascalmonkey
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the Plutarch quote is inexact and never correctly cited (at least that I could find).
"For the mind does not require filling like a bottle, but rather, like wood, it only requires kindling to create in it an impulse to think independently and an ardent desire for the truth."
Moralia, On Listening to Lectures 48C (LCL 1.256-259)
It took me awhile to locate this-
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Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:53 pm |
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weberwu wrote: I like this "quotation" that is often used:
Education is not about filling a bucket/pail, it's [about] lighting a fire.
It is attributed to William Butler Yeats, but it is quite unlike his poetry. I cannot find the quote in the online Yeats. Does anyone have a reference to the source of this quote? I have begun to hate all this "quotation" business with wrong attributions! ]  [/quote]
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POEATREEMAN
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:13 pm |
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CONCEPTUAL
The Birth of an Ideal Is only Fertile, when it can Grow
The Seed of a Thought Must be Nourished by Truth.
If it is Ever to take Root In Understanding.
For Wisdom will be the Fruit
That Bears on the Roots of Understanding
The Tree of Knowledge Must be Harvested by Truth
If I am Ever To Garner Understanding
The Ripening of the Fruit
Wisdom will Seed the Thought of Understanding
A Little Wise and Maybe Old Better than a Foolish Soul.
Listen to Every Word
Learn What Life has Given you
The Birth of Hope Dreams to Spare
The Chance to Learn, When you are Here.
The Hope, you will Find Yourself.
Bringing Birth, To Understanding..
A THOUGHT
Wisdom is the Best Choice For Understanding
Truth is the Best Choice For Good.
Foolishness is the Best Choice For Stupidity.
Freewill is the Best Choice For Choosing.
See All There is Before you Do
For Once Selected It is your Way Through.
A Poeatreeman
In My Mind's Eye I am Learning what is there
Will I See? If I Think Upon it Clearly
Truth and Wisdom, can be there As well as Good and Bad
Who I bring will speak of me Let me carry my Wit's with me
Then I can keep Life From Overwhelming me.
Edgar Allan Prieto 5/22/2000 Copyright ©2007 Edgar Allan Prieto Quote:
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POEATREEMAN
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:35 am |
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WHO GIVES A HOOT? A wise old bird who gave no hoot
Owl would you do it?
I would give a hoot,
To show I cared
I would go out on a limb,
To let you know I am there
I may get ruffled,
if I don't try
I will never know what it is to fly
Unless I take the steps to do it
Life is there not just to view it
It is up to me to share in its wonders
It is up to me to care for it all
Give a hoot, if I am ever to feel it
Give heart and love,
life will come through it
Don't flutter around ,
Unless you're on a training mission.
Hoot and holler if you care
It starts your engine to get you there
I am not a bird nor a plane
Why am I taking off this way?
I am on a runway,
It's my heart that is flying about
I better hold on until the end
I must have care,
If I am ever to come through it.
A THOUGHT!
I have heart, that can endear the worst
I have love, that will take the fall
I have care, for pain is not alone
I have God, to help me through it all...;
Dedicated To Jennifner
A Poeatreeman
Love is nesting in my heart
Born from feelings, when tears fell out
I lost not love, but gained caring
For my love grew out
Now I am there, to share with all.
holding it once more
For caring brought it out
Now love will be once more
Tears won't be without..
Edgar Allan Prieto 2/19/94 Copyright ©2007 Edgar Allan PrietoQuote:
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POEATREEMAN
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:41 am |
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A WISE OLD BIRD
You did not get Wise Because you are Older You got Older because you're Wise
We all exist
A Wise Old Owl is not in a tree Not if He is Wise to what He sees
He may Hoot and Holler If He is Wise He would be Quiet
Take what is in the View
Know When and not to Speak Know Who Perches Beside you
It is one Thing To Get Under your Feathers Another Thing to Lose Them
If I am Wise to What is There I will Keep what I Have And Grow with Life
Maybe one day
I will be a Wise Old Bird
If I do not Ask too much Only Expect to Glide For it is Not Easy Being Here
Through Wisdom I Can Learn I am better For I have a Chance to Grow my Feathers
Hoot and Holler if I Want What Bird am I That is Wise Enough?
I am Still in a Puzzle
Trying
To Find where I am Supposed to Be
A Wise Old Owl Once said to Me
Learn your ABCs
Then Start with Wisdom to See What is Me.
A Poeatreeman
Know Truth and Wisdom will Follow Dedicated to The Learning of Humanity
Edgar Allan Prieto 2/3/92 Copyright ©2007 Edgar Allan PrietoQuote:
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POEATREEMAN
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:47 pm |
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AN INCH WORM How am I Going to Learn Teach
If I don't Get Deep into The Subject?
I am just A Book Worm
Trying to get to the Core
I find Myself in Middle Class
I hope To Make The Grade
Try not to cut Me Short
I am only An Inch Worm
Trying to get to the Highest Point
Grade Me for My Studies
Not the Size I am
For My Heart is as Big as anyone
Who is trying to get through it All.
A THOUGHT!
It may take Me time to get ahead
Yet I will Crawl to reach Success
The only thing that will stop me now
Is My will not to Pass The Test. Dedicated To Sherry (The Teach)
A Poeatreeman
If I Cut To The Core
I May Expose Myself Too Much
I Don't Want To Fall Apart
By Opening Myself Up
I May Come Up Short
Yet I Will Try To Be Strong
For The Length I Am is not Too Long
Yet The Size of My Heart
Is Ten Feet Tall..
I am only an inch worm
Trying to reach success.
Edgar Allan Prieto 10/18/97 Copyright ©2007 Edgar Allan PrietoQuote:
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POEATREEMAN
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HUMANITIES A COURSE FOR LIFE
I have a course in life
I am trying to be human
With all the others in this world
I am trying to be the best I can
My grades will be each day I am here
I am not better just trying to be good
I am not in any class for I see only one world
Grant you there are poor and rich
Better off does not make you better
There are some who find greatness being poor
There are others who are rich
Find they are burdened by it all
I am best when I am human
I am even better when I help my fellow man
If I was born with a silver spoon
It does not mean my plate is full
If I was not!
Does not mean I have an empty one
For heart and spirit need both be full
If I am poor if I am rich
It matters only if I lose my soul
For in the end it will not be money That will bring you to heaven
But a heart of gold
Love knows no rich or poor
It touches all who seek it
Only man puts it in a class
Poor little boy!
A THOUGHT!
If my spirit is rich I have no need for gold If my pockets are full my heart is empty What is my soul?
DEDICATED TO HUMANITY
A Poeatreeman
The measure of a man Is not If his pockets are filled But his heart Has riches beyond gold For what if a man Has no heart Where Could he place His greatest treasure? He cannot For he does not hold it .
Edgar Allan Prieto 5/3/96 Copyright ©2007 Edgar Allan Prieto
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